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War, Media and a 25 Million Lawsuit | Anti-Hero Broadcast Founder Tyler Hoover S.O.S. #257
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What happens when a combat paratrooper-turned-cop builds a media platform, challenges a celebrated story, and gets hit with a $25 million lawsuit? We sit down with Tyler Hoover, founder of the Anti-Hero Broadcast and Counterculture Inc., to unpack the messy collision of free speech, celebrity culture, and the legal machine designed to make critics go quiet. Tyler’s journey from Baghdad to the beat to the studio reveals why so many veterans gravitate to blunt talk and dark humor—and why that candor draws fire when it targets revered narratives.
We dig into the contradictions of modern conflict and public memory: how disbanded armies, proxy incentives, and political timing shaped the Iraq War he lived through, and how those lessons now inform his refusal to accept curated hero myths at face value. Tyler breaks down the policing incentives that erode community trust, the analytics that drive behavior on the street, and the moment he realized his voice fit better behind a mic than behind a badge. That voice built a “99 percent” community—service members and first responders who don’t trend on thumbnails but carry stories worth hearing.
Then we tackle lawfare. Tyler explains how an LLC won’t shield you from defamation suits, why venue shopping matters, and how anti-SLAPP provisions can flip the pressure back when lawsuits aim to silence speech. He also shares the unglamorous reality: legal fees up front, years of motions, and the stress that tries to break creators long before any verdict. Instead of folding, he leans into transparency, analyzing public contradictions, and turning the case into lessons for anyone building an independent platform.
Along the way, we wrestle with culture-war flashpoints—gender in combat arms, the trans debate’s policy stakes, and the cost of enforcing orthodoxy over biology—to ask a harder question: who owns the narrative when truth collides with power, money, and fame? If you value plain speech, thick skin, and communities that argue in good faith, you’ll find a lot to chew on.
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Framing Lawfare And Free Speech
SPEAKER_02Imagine you are sharing your story as you always share your story, and you are commenting online as you like to comment online, like we all do these days. And the next thing you know, you are hit with a $25 million lawsuit about a public figure. Well, that's what we're going to talk about today, because lawfare is alive and real. And I believe there's a lot of people that do not understand what you're up against in this day and age, should you just want to speak truth to power. And as veterans and first responders, we are the people who also like to speak truth to power. And why? Because we've been there, we've done that, we've seen things that some of the rest of our fellow American citizens haven't seen. And that puts us in a very unique position to share our stories, share our experiences, do our research, talk to people. And that's what we're going to do today. So, Tyler, how are you doing today?
SPEAKER_03Good. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_02Well, thank you so much for agreeing to do this as I always open
Show Open And Guest Intro
SPEAKER_02the show. Welcome to the Stories of Service Podcast, Ordinary People who do extraordinary work. I'm the host, Teresa Carpenter, and to get this show started, as we always do, an intro from my father, Charlie Pickard.
SPEAKER_00From the moment we're born and lock eyes with our parents, we are inspiring others. By showing up as a vessel of service, we not only help others, we help ourselves. Welcome to SOS, Stories of Service, hosted by Teresa Carpenter. Here from ordinary people from all walks of life who have transformed their communities by performing extraordinary work.
Tyler’s Bio And Mission
SPEAKER_02And this is a very unique conversation because what happens when a combat paratrooper builds a platform that challenges the culture and then finds himself facing a $25 million lawsuit? So today we are talking to Tyler Hoover, the founder of the Anti-Hero Broadcast, former 2-505 paratrooper with the 82nd Airborne Division, Iraq veteran, and a former Central Florida police officer and now media entrepreneur behind Counterculture Incorporated. He deployed to Baghdad in 2008. And after earning his degree in Homeland Security and Terrorism Studies, he spent nine years as a street cop. He has lived in structured institutions where hierarchy, loyalty, and consequences are clear. And now he operates, as I know, the far less predictable world of independent media. And today we're going to discuss this mind shift from being a paratrooper to a podcaster or a broadcaster, the psychology of men who are drawn to risk and confrontation, the tension between free speech and accountability, and the $25 million lawsuit currently filed against his company and what this means for all of us who are sharing our story online and how these public battles reshape our private lives. Welcome again, Tyler.
SPEAKER_03Thanks. Crack open a monster.
SPEAKER_02Yep. This is going to be a very spicy conversation because this subject really fires me up. Fires me up more so, I think, than some other subjects because the idea that somebody can weaponize the law for someone's free speech and someone's ability to tell stories that are already out there in the public space really infuriates me. But before we get started on that, let's just get a little bit of background about you for my audience. So tell us a little bit about where you were born and raised and what made you decide to join the army.
SPEAKER_03Oh
Enlisting And Choosing Airborne
SPEAKER_03man, I was born in uh born in upstate New York, raised in Southwest Virginia. Uh pretty, pretty average childhood. My dad was a cop. I wanted to be a cop growing up. Um at the time in Virginia, you couldn't be a cop till you're 21. I was 19, failing community college. Um, I saw on the TV on the news that an American post got overrun, and I saw a bunch of dead, you know, American soldiers. And I was like, what am I doing with my life, dude? I'm I'm a loser. I'm a I'm a bona fide loser, you know. Uh sleeping through community college with my hood on, playing in bands. And I just uh Bush had his surge to Iraq in 2007, paying X a little bit extra dough to go quick. So I signed the dotted line within three weeks. I was shipped off to basic training, and then uh and then uh that's it for the military stuff. And then I only I knew I only wanted to do one enlistment, so I did one enlistment and then uh got out.
SPEAKER_02Well, what made you decide to do join uh do paratrooper? Like that's a a pretty elite. I I had Aaron Love on my show, and I believe he was also a paratrooper, and it's a it's a pretty elite unit. I mean, in terms of it's not easy to do that job. So what made you what drew you to that?
SPEAKER_03Um extra money. I didn't know anything about I didn't know anything about the military. I knew nothing about even when I was in, I don't really I don't know what it is about me. I I don't stay up to date with current events either with my job. You'd think that's something I would do a lot, but I mean I knew nothing about the military, and they said it's an extra 150 bucks a month to jump out of an airplane. And uh I was like, okay, and I did it. I I originally I remember wanting to do it because I would be stationed in Fort Bragg most likely, and that was close to home to me. That was only four hours away from my hometown, so I remember that. Like, I'll jump out of planes for that. Um, so that's essentially I love it.
SPEAKER_02I'll I'll be honest, like I was failing out of community college when I enlisted in the Navy at 19. And when they told me air crew, I was like, Oh, I I get to work on airplanes. I I had no any any aptitude towards fixing anything, didn't know anything about it. It was more just like, oh, I get out of my hometown and I make money and I can support myself. Oh, that sounds great.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I mean I I could have I didn't have I couldn't do anything in the army, but I had a lot of opportunities because of my GT score and my ASVAB, but um, I was like, I want to be the infantry.
Iraq War Reflections And Politics
SPEAKER_03And to me, joining the military just at 19 years old, I was like, I don't want to do this for anything, I just want to go to war. And why would I go to war doing any other job that I could do here? I like you know, I I could do anything, I could, for instance, I mean, just my mindset in the military is I can I could work on airplanes here, right? I wanted to go and do my stint and go to war and do combat and then get out, and so that that's like literally what I did.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So you went to I I saw that you went to Baghdad, you did the whole tour in Iraq, and I'm sure that uh what was your impression of that? I mean, was it was it as as corrupt? And and I mean, I have people on the show all the time telling me they've got such kind of anger about about that war, and I'm curious if if you've got those same feelings.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I didn't learn about um the Department of State and Paul Bremer until about 2012, right when I was getting out. I had no idea that we had created essentially al-Qaeda in Iraq. Um I had no that never occurred to me. Uh, we we disbanded their army and sent a militar bunch of military-age males home with no paycheck.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_03And of course, the small pocket of terrorists and insurgents or whatever were like, hey, you want to make a couple bucks? And we essentially created our own enemy. Um, we didn't need to be there, we never should have been there. There was no weapons of mass destruction, it was all dick chaney war machine ploy. Uh, and I mean, I sound like a liberal, but in all reality, that's what it was. I'm very, however, on the on the flip side, I'm very, very uh um appreciative of the opportunity that it gave me. I wouldn't have the life I have right now if I hadn't had the chance to go to war, and that's a really weird way to look at it. But everything afforded to you right now is because of that. So but yeah, I mean, there I mean, just even the even the politics in Baghdad, they they had their weird politics with the US Army. You know, if you followed their rules and you didn't go into Soder City, you didn't do this, you wouldn't get fucked with. Your guys would live to be another day. As soon as the Americans broke their un undocumented rules, there would be bombings and people would die. And I I didn't never understood that until I was out way later.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, it's I I I think a lot of veterans understand where you're coming from, where we love the camaraderie or we love the people we met at the tactical level. I know I did. I loved working with foreign militaries or getting to coordinate across all the services, or knowing when I was on an aircraft carrier that that carrier was going to go into war and that I was gonna get to be a part of that mission and President Bush was gonna land on USS Abraham Lincoln. But those are tactical things that you like on your level because you served with people that you were uh you respected, they respected you, that kind of thing. But when you look at the geopolitical side, I think as all veterans, we are fed up uh with what we see.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's hard too because I mean you look at the last real war. When was it? It's arguably before World War I, where it wasn't political, it was territorial, right? I mean, I don't know, I'm not a war historian, but I mean, even at World War I, it starts getting a little fishy on why we were doing it. Right, World War II, you're not allowed to question anything about it, or you're anti-American and uh anti-or you know, you're against the Jews or whatever. I like you keeping it.
SPEAKER_02Right, you're unpatriotic. Yeah, if you question anything, you're considered unpatriotic, which is ridiculous.
SPEAKER_03And I mean, but at the end of the day, if we ever needed to be sharp, don't we want to have our spear sharp? And to me, proxy wars and these stupid battles that we go into all the time that last 10 years, they keep our the tip of the spear sharp. If we don't go to war for 60 years, 70 years, and then we have to go to war, we're gonna be behind three generations in in equipment and tactics and knowledge.
SPEAKER_02It's a great point.
SPEAKER_03So it's it's a it's a catch 22.
SPEAKER_02Oh, no, I agree. And I I mentioned that to Michael Lester. He wrote a book called We Are the Bad Guys, and I just read it, and it's all about the different conflicts that we insert ourselves into. And I basically posed a question to him about how if we don't do this, then China's gonna do it. Then all these other great power uh competition, uh pure, you know, near-peer competitors, they're gonna do the same thing. So if we're not the big bully that's going in and extracting
Sharp Spear Or Endless Proxy Wars
SPEAKER_02resources and causing havoc and taking leaders out and doing all these things, then democracy. Okay, sorry. Yes, spreading democracy and enabling elections and yes, all these all these things we say we're doing in the media. But my point being is that there is that argument for why we intervene, but you brought up another thing about keeping your skills sharp. And I I hadn't really thought about that too. There, I mean, it's it's a it's a fair argument to have. Like if we don't continue to evolve ourselves in war, be relevant, then we're gonna lose that skill set. And as I know you guys have been reporting, I mean, this stuff comes hits home. I mean, we've got cartels in what Mexico City as of yesterday that are causing havoc and and that is a threat to our interests. And now is that gonna become an immigration problem uh as we already have? So there are definitely things to consider when when we talk about these issues. So it's interesting that you and as veterans, we see this, we go overseas, and then we come home, and now it's like, what do we do? So tell me a little bit about how you transitioned from serving in the army to now saying, I'm gonna be a police officer.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's something I always wanted to do. Um, I kind of knew I was gonna do it growing up. My dad was a retired police, so um, I went to college. Um, I had a uh uh son split custody with his mom, and we were in Florida, and I just I couldn't I I couldn't be an I couldn't be a federal agent because I couldn't be at needs of the United States anymore. I didn't want to be away from my son. So I joined local law enforcement and which is what I wanted to do. There's a difference between a cop and a federal agent. We talk about that all the time. The the Minneapolis fucking shit show was because of their
Transition To Policing
SPEAKER_03the cops and the federal agents both have their roles, and the cops walked away at orders of the politicians. So federal agents were now having to do things that cops should be doing, which is interacting with an angry community. Cops are from that community, cops are supposed to be an extension of the community. Um, so I I'm glad I was able to be a cop, but uh um all that's all I wanted to do was just I didn't want to be a detective, I didn't want to gain rank, I didn't want to do any of that. I just wanted to be a street cop, and then um as as I got older, I was becoming a little bit more of a constitutionalist. Uh stopping people for lawful reasons, but we know it's to get in the car and find dope guns and warrants. It it started like really like affecting me mentally, as far as like, is this the right thing? Right? Like uh I got a stop sign. Most states, right? You have a stop sign, you have a white bar where that stop sign is right on the roadway. It's painted. Um, if you even remotely touch that with your tire, that's running the stop sign technically. So I could pull you over. I'm not pulling you over for the stop sign, I'm pulling you over because we're in the hood, and I think you might have drugs or guns in the car. I pull you over, you're mad, I find nothing, you're on your way. I find the next one until I get what I want. That's my job. I'm supposed to provide those results, especially when I was on a proactive street crimes unit. I'm supposed to provide those statistics to admin to be able to say, we got this off the street. But in turn, nine out of ten cars are getting what some would call harassed. Sure. Because um, you know, the the government is looking to provide those analytics, and there's not a right or wrong answer to that. It is what it is, and it just started it started messing with my head, I think. Um, to the point where I wasn't able to do my job the way uh it needed to be done. And so um I was on the SWAT team. I'm me, I'm actually very I'm on someone's show, so I'm actually very mild right now.
SPEAKER_01But uh you are, I was gonna say this is a different uh Tyler than the Tyler that I've been watching.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean I know I always kind of think though that's like when you're with your boys. I mean, because I've I've served with mostly men my whole career, and it's like you know, you get three guys together, and it's a different dynamic if it's just versus me and you, so no, that's yeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, even if they were sitting here with me, that you know, we vibe off each other and sure, you know, but uh um I'm me and I just I'm not on brand for SWAT. Um, I tried it for a while. Um, and so when I was essentially uh removed from the team for like my paralleline, my mouth, you know, uh I was like, man, maybe I'm just not built for government work. And so the day after I got kicked off, I bought a bunch of podcasting equipment on Amazon. It's something I always wanted to do. And I'm like, I'm gonna put my big mouth and my oppositional defiant personality
Street Policing, Ethics, And Stats
SPEAKER_03on stage, and you know, it's it's ended up working out. I made an uh I've that's my knack, that's where I'm good at, that's where I've seen most of my success. All my other businesses have really their ups and downs, but this is you know, primarily it it's I'm naturally good at it, so there's not a lot of struggle to make it work, you know.
SPEAKER_02Everybody else shit talking is a uh entertainment and it's also thought-provoking.
SPEAKER_03And if you can do that, you're passionate about it too. You can go all day. I'll get online in the comments and just you know, roast people and call them stupid. And and and when you know, a lot the anti-hero part, the anti-hero. Um, when I started, it was called the anti-hero podcast, you know, once or twice a week. It was a podcast with guests, basic podcast format. Um, but it's an anti-hero. Um, we all I'm not superman, I'm not gonna tell you to drink your your milk and eat your vitamins, and you can grow up big and strong like me, and I'm and I'm morally superior to everybody. I'm not an anti-hero. My heart is in is in good places, but in my past I've made bad decisions like any man has. But at the end of the day, if you know I could go on there and roast fat kids all day online talking shit, and everyone's like, I mean, what do you expect? It's the anti-hero broadcast, guys. Like, they're not, they're not these profound people that are trying to say that they're these morally uh uh enthralled people that are trying to inv like they're we're just we're truthful, yeah. Right. I think a lot of people like that.
SPEAKER_02But that's the stuff of great comedy, that's the stuff of great entertainment, that's the stuff of great broadcasting, in my opinion, is the fact that you can take something that's very serious and roast it or make a joke out of it, but then there's this undertone behind it where there's this this this truth, this universal truth that people can pick up on. And I think that's what makes your show successful, and that's what I mean. I'm not your demographic at all, and I enjoy watching it because I I re I well, as a military member, and some of the things that you statistically, females are not our demographic according to YouTube.
SPEAKER_03It's about three percent. But yes, you're but you're you're bright in both senses, gender-wise, not really, because I mean, I I I would feel bad for a woman that was forced
Leaving SWAT And Starting Media
SPEAKER_03to watch four knucklehead dudes talk for three hours. But yeah, the the topics that we're talking about, yeah, I would imagine you know, could cross pollinate into everything that you're doing.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely, and that's why, as as I told my audience here, the reason I wanted to have you on here was because you started this broad podcast podcast, and you guys were taking on some really spicy topics, and you did it in a way with humor, with a lot of shit talking, with a lot of different back and forth, and it was just in a way that I think really spoke to the veteran and first responder community. So, I first off want to start with why Rob O'Neill? You, I mean, I I I'm pretty sure you guys also covered Tim Kennedy. So, were you just at a place where you said, and I think I heard this in another show that you were doing, that you wanted to kind of blow blow the top off of what everybody has this lure and this like, oh, special forces, soft forces are everything. And did you want to kind of put a peek behind the curtain and say, hey, these are just normal dudes like everybody else?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, it's the the special forces community is on blast right now, uh, by everybody that they created. They created this the special forces fan community. Um, and they'll turn on you just as quick as they became your fan. Um, and they are fans, they're not supporters, they're not part of a uh culture like me and you. Like, you know, we call our so we call our supporters the 99 because we're building uh a community. We're the 99 of we're the conventional guys that came out one of the one of our sure podcasts, you know, Jimmy, one of our contributors was like, you know, he we're the 99 of the military, right? So and then one of our supporters, you know, a long time ago said, Let's call ourselves the 99, and so we just stuck with it. So we're the 99, and uh, and it's it's it's so funny because like one guy who was regular army can go tell a story about complete and utter heroism, and he's awarded the silver star or the navy cross and all these crazy things, but because he wasn't an SF guy or a navy SEAL, nobody cares, and I'm telling you, I have the data analytics to prove it, it's the same story. In fact, one or the two of these conventional guys actually, it is what it is, has more courageous stories than a lot of the fucking special forces guys. But because you don't put a Green Beret or a Navy SEAL on the thumbnail, people just don't care because they're fanboying for that community, they're not part of the community. You can now you can get
The Anti-Hero Ethos And Humor
SPEAKER_03every other veteran would be like that's an awesome story, but they're not gonna fanboy over it, they're just gonna be like, That's a brother of mine, I'd like to meet him one day. So we're trying to create that community where we're not putting these guys on pedestals, we're actually just there for each other, and with dark humor, like you said, you know, I take real, real, real deep issues in our cultures and our community, and I put it in a piece of cheese and I feed it to the dog through humor, right? Yeah, you're gonna ingest it through humor, and you know, so if I make a racy joke that's pretty funny, and it's a joke that we would all laugh in the smoke pits or yeah, you know, the team rooms or you know, anywhere else, that's what we do openly. And and a lot of people that don't understand our culture are like, that's disgusting. How could you laugh when there's people dying in Mexico? And then there's people like us that go, That was actually pretty. Funny when we see what these guys have to say.
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean, I've served in the Navy uh almost 30 years and I'm prior enlisted. And so a lot of the stuff and the way that you guys talk, you know, it reminds me of when I was in a work center as an AE on a carrier, and there was a guy, his name's Dean Martin, and sadly he died of alcoholism, and he was the biggest shit talker, and he was hilarious, and everyone loved him. He was a little sexist. Uh, but I and this is in a different times before me too, before we talked about any of this stuff, and I appreciated him because he was just so truthful about things. He was very tell it like it is, he was also a damn good electrician. Like he was one of those guys that would go out and save the day and fix the problem when no one else could figure out what was wrong. And he kept all the guys in line. And I really respected that. And I think that unfortunately, with a lot of this woke and and not to say there's anything wrong with inclusion, but with this DEI stuff, I just feel like we've lost a little bit of that. So I think when I hear your show, I mean, this is the reason why I'm a fan, is because it reminds me of that. It takes me back to those days when I'm sitting in the work center and we're all just shooting the shit. We're miserable, we're hot, we're sweaty, we've been on the flight deck all day, we're working 12 on, 12 off, and it's it's a shitty, shitty lifestyle, but we're all in it together and we're just doing our job and doing what we have to do to get the mission accomplished. And so I think that's the the spirit that you guys are bringing to the show that these guys are are appreciating.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I mean, we'll be the first ones to say, you know, we're all married, we love women, but we're you know, female cops come up a lot in our show. Every swing and dick in the world will go, I don't think females should be cops. And then when somebody asks them, they'll go, Oh, females should be cops. Like, just because we're saying out loud, like, no guy is gonna call if a if a grown ass man is calling the police, he does not want a five foot three female showing up and go, What can I do for you, sir? It is what it is, it's a harsh reality we live in. Society has told women that they can do anything, they can do these things, right? And in your time and era, it was like you sure you know what you get into when you're
Demystifying Special Operations Celebrity
SPEAKER_03joining the navy as a woman, and you were like, Yep, and then you join, you're like, Holy shit, this is what I got myself into. I'm sticking through it. You knew the exact atmosphere you stuck yourself. I mean, the navy, right? The the the the the swearing, the cussing, the the that is where the whole the mouth of a sailor that's where that comes from. So, yeah, you knew exactly, and now it's flip-flopped into women being sent there in in in not particularly the navy, but just in general, these roles where it's inclusion that's telling them they should be there, right? And it's and then it's destroying the camaraderie. Um, again, I don't think I'm not I'm very gentlemanly, I'm not gonna talk about if there's a woman in the room, whether she tells me up and down and sideways that she's okay with it, I'm not gonna talk to her or in front say things in front of her that I would if she wasn't there. That's just me. That being said, you know, you do destroy a lot of the male camaraderie, um, which is very important in combat arms. And I sound like a insane sexist when I say stuff like this, but yes, when there's jobs in the military that women absolutely can do, should do. Most men prefer. I know you said you worked on aircraft. I don't foresee at all a problem with women working on aircraft. I don't really see where that would be an issue.
SPEAKER_02Only it came to moving parts, and and there were there were instances, uh, far and few between, I will tell you, where a guy would help if there was a super super heavy toolbox and I had to carry it all the way from the hangar bay up to the flight deck, or you know, there was just extreme circumstances.
SPEAKER_03Did you get offended by that? Or no, I was kind of like, I was like, I was like, oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_02And the guy wanted to do it. And we were still, you know, because you always, when you went out and you worked on the on week on the bird on the plane, you would always have two people, they're two-person integrity. And so you just knew that you were a team. There were things that I could get into really small spaces. I had, you know, tiny little hands, I could do things uh with certain parts that the guys couldn't do, and then the guys could do other things. I mean, it was I never I never experienced blatant sexism and the these massive problems with sexual assault and all these other things that that I hear about today. I just didn't experience that. But then again, I didn't allow, I didn't open the door. Like I learned early on in my career that if you open the door and you act sexual and you do things to put yourself out there in a sexual way, well, then guess what? You won't be respected, you might not promote, you're gonna be looked in in a zer, in a in a certain way. And I wanted to be, I wanted to promote, I wanted to make the next rank, and I saw that that would hurt me from doing that. So uh I learned early on I had an incident in Iceland, and and after that happened, I was like, oh hell no, am I ever gonna sell mess around with people I work with? Never. And so because of that, I just didn't play into it, and I just didn't uh I I never had those the same experiences. And I'm not saying that all the women that have had those experiences played into it either. I'm just saying that those that just wasn't my reality. And I I had a generally speaking, a good experience with most of my male supervisors. In fact, I called this male supervisor a sexist pig to his face, and I got written up over it because I said it in front of a bunch of people and I, you know, it was pretty inappropriate the way I did it. But uh hopefully it it put him on alert and and he stopped making this saying the stupid shit he was saying, uh, not just in front of me, but in front of all the other couple people.
SPEAKER_03That's a different time, huh? You call somebody a sexist pig and you get written up.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, I did because I was disrespectful to him. He was my E5 supervisor and I was an E2, and I was just sick and tired of his fucking jokes. And I finally just said, You are a fucking sexist pig. And that was when uh he uh yeah, he he got me in trouble and wrote me up, and uh yeah, I owned it and said, Okay. And then I I want to say after that, because we became friends, uh, yeah. And
Dark Humor As Cultural Medicine
SPEAKER_02I still to this day, I mean I respected him all the way up until he passed away. So uh it was just one of those things where yeah, we we just butted heads a little bit and then moved on and and continued doing the mission, and that's the kind of environment that I that I lived in for years, so it's it's I have one for you.
SPEAKER_03I got a very unpopular take. Uh, there was a time in the army, at least, where there was a lot of sexual assaults occurring overseas on military installations, and um and I got you know, I'm not very educated on it. I was briefed on it by more of a feminist person. And what are we gonna do to fix this? And I'm like, Well, we can have all these stupid ass programs, we can have all these stupid ass reps, we can have all this stupid training and stupid fucking meetings we go to. At the end of the day, you want to know how we solve it? Don't put females out there, and boom, it was like I was like, Okay, I'm telling you, you want the problem to stop. Sexual assaults, the assaults stop when you stop putting female and men male-dominated environments. But you don't want to stop it, you want to make it fair, and I'm all about it. Sure, we can sit here until the cows come home and figure out ways that aren't gonna work. But at the end of the day, if it's a fucking problem and you want to stop that problem, you know how to do it. Just like if I want to stop getting eaten by sharks, we stop swimming with sharks. Well, I want to swim in the ocean, okay, but you'll get eaten by a shark, maybe if you swim in the ocean. So if you don't want to get eaten by a shark, you don't go in the ocean. It's a and a lot of people are like, Well, that's an absolute 100% take on something. It's like, yeah, because you brought a problem, it's an awful problem. It's awful that we're at war in a war zone, and women are being sexually assaulted by our own team. It's fucking disgusting. It's it is disgusting. I love women enough not to put them there in the fucking first place. Yeah, but I'm the bad guy.
SPEAKER_02No, I hear you, and I think that's a a really valid uh point to bring out. And in the future, I'm having on Lori uh But Butterlays. Uh she's a comrade of uh Assad Khan, and he was one of the first on the ground in Afghanistan, and she was one of the female searchers in in the uh in the first few days of the war in Afghanistan. And I can't wait to have her on. And she she really tells you like how hard it was to be in that position and to just simple things like being on your period and having to deal with that in a in a war zone where you you you don't have bathroom facilities, you don't have all the same things that you're going to have. I mean, it's a lot different, like I say, on a on a on an aircraft carrier.
SPEAKER_03The infantry is supposed to be able to, the especially the airborne infantry. I'm supposed to be able to jump into a drop zone. I'm supposed to be able to seize that
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SPEAKER_03land for other assets to then land in that land, and I'm supposed to occupy that land up until infinite amount of time, right? It could be six months, it could be one year living in the wood line, securing that drop zone to get assets needed for the fight in there. There is no fucking showers in there, and you're and I love it because I'll talk to one woman and she'll go, Absolutely not, you can't go six months without showering, you'll fucking die. A woman will, and the other woman will be like, Well, no, it's self-cleaning, it's it's meant to be. And I'm like, Okay, well, at the end of the day, there's no showers, there's absolutely not. From what I understand, that can get very, very dangerous for a female. Um, the vagina area if it's not cleaned and maintained, and sometimes you just don't. There's not sometimes there's not wet wipes out there, there's not alcohol-free wet wipes, there's not wet wipes meant for sensitive parts of your body. Like at some point, it's going to become a problem, and then you become you become a liability. And people will be like, Oh, well, what about a guy that breaks his arm? Well, yeah, but he we didn't know he was gonna break his arm when we brought him, he just broke his arm, so now he's a liability. But we knew you had a vagina when we brought you, we pretty much foresaw this was gonna happen, and we still brought you anyway. And now, you know, the longer I go, the worse I sound.
SPEAKER_02No, no, you don't, you don't, and and these are the kinds of conversations that everyone's afraid to have. Like the it reminds me of the transgender conversation. Everyone's afraid to have the transgender conversation. I'm not afraid to have the transgender conversation. I definitely want to time it when I know that people can handle those those views on transgender because I don't hate anyone, I respect people, but I have very, very I have I have very specific views about biology and what biology is, and and sometimes specific views, it's common sense.
SPEAKER_03I don't understand like that nowadays in 2026, you have to preface it with I have specific views about biology when it's like uh there's two, there's man and one. Yes, there's these things, and then I hear these dumbass arguments. My wife brings this up on her podcast all the time. People will be like, Um, well, no, some people are born with both parts, and they're like, No, motherfucker, that's called a homaphrodite. That's actually a medical condition, a medical issue. They didn't they didn't ask for that before they came out of the womb, so therefore, that's not transgender, that's not even the same thing, right? Blows my mind the the retarded arguments that we have, right?
SPEAKER_02And and that's that's a that's a culture war that is brewing and will stay brewed until people get some some common sense, like you said, uh, especially when it comes to the sports bathroom issues and the puberty blockers and the children. I I I I uh I'm I'm waiting actually for the time that this gets revisited in the military because we know it's going to. It's only a matter of time before the courts come up or a case comes up. And uh my buddy Chase Spears and I, we talk about this issue all the time. And again, it's not that we're transphobic. I think luckily in this administration, in this day and age, we can at least say we're not transphobic and have this conversation. But like you said, it it's basic biology, and there's a lot of people who are getting rich off this, by the way.
SPEAKER_03Teresa is that you have, I mean, maybe not you, but what if somebody does think it's fucking disgusting? What if somebody's like, this is an abomination to my religion, to my family, to my body? It's an abomination to my sex, like whatever sex you are, male or female, it's an abomination to everything we know, and it fucking disgusts me. It disgusts me. You're a bad guy if you say that. But I'm telling you, most people think that. I know that's like the whole point of the network we created. This counterculture network is these shows, the the pendulum swinging, and what people used to think is ugh gross. I can't now are people are like, I want to hear that because that is counterculture to the narrative we're being fed, and the narrative we're being fed is that you can't call trans people fucking gross and mentally ill. You're not allowed to. And I'm not speaking for you, Teresa. I'm not at all, but yeah, some people say what you said, but they're not, they're actually thinking this is the most ridiculous thing in the fucking world.
SPEAKER_02Well, I do think that I do think it's the most ridiculous thing in the fucking world. And I think that the people that undergo these surgeries and and think that they're another gender, I I think on they I think that they're people with mental health problems and people who have been uh been uh let's say put into a community where they feel welcome and they feel loved and maybe they didn't feel that way or have that before. And so it it gives them some kind of validation, and and that's where it's really sad to me because I do believe that they deserve respect and they deserve uh, you know, empathy. But at the same time, when they and when they force that upon us and then make us all think that this is something that's normal, that's where I take issue with it because I'm allowed to not think it's normal and I don't think it's normal, and I think that it needs to stop, and I think that a child needs to grow up with a mother and a father. Uh, I do do believe people can love who they want to love. I don't really care about that exactly.
SPEAKER_03You're looking at a direct result of the broken down uh nuclear family that they achieved 20 years ago. This now is
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SPEAKER_03we're living in the result of that because nothing can't nothing can't be solved, but I'd say about 90% of our issues in society, had there been a healthy mom and dad at home, uh we wouldn't have transgender kids shooting up fucking schools because it just I'm not saying that the dad needs to smack the child around and smack the dumbness out of him, but they could have had that child in counseling therapy. Why do you think this way? Now all these fucking trans shooters are running around doing this, and the mom none the while. Oh, I didn't even notice that. You didn't notice that you didn't notice that your child was like this because all the fucking world knows it now. He's all over the fucking news, but you didn't notice and he lived in your house.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I I hear you, I hear you. So let's transition to the to the lawsuit because I really want to get into that and and talk more about how this even came about. So, my understanding is you and your uh co-hosts decided to, as you did, you talk about Tim Kennedy, and of course, we know about him and the stolen valor. And so this was just something my understanding is that you were providing commentary about. This was a a story Matt Bissinet had already gone public in his book, obviously, many years ago, any given day, about this issue, about who was the actual point man who killed Osama bin Laden. So there had been speculation for years uh regarding like an open secret, rather, even that this story that Rob O'Neill was giving was not necessarily the same narrative that everyone agreed upon. And so you guys were providing commentary on that. Am I correct on that?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's pretty much it. Um, one of my old uh contributors was a prior special forces guy, and he kind of had a lot of insight and knowledge as to how and why some of these guys were lying, and we're like, Okay, well, you're the you're the SME on this, so let's roll. Sure. And we broke down on how it's not possible, and it was a great episode. Each one of those episodes kind of put us on the map a little bit more and more and more because people want truth and transparency. There, you know, you can go out these guys that go and tell all these war stories all the time. It it's big news when they're lying. Like, sure, I'm not I feel I feel bad for the dudes, I really do. Not so much Rob anymore because he sued us, so now I hate him again. But you know, I do. I will I like there's sometimes we get messages like, Are you gonna be happy when this guy eats a fucking gun? And I'm like, No, dude, I'm not. Like, I just couldn't fathom saying these things to the world, and I'm like, right, you know, I it and then they all want the respect and the courtesy of why don't you call me? Like, why would I call you put this out in the world, dude? Like you put this out in the world, but now the arena has to be for us to call you. Like, no, you set the arena.
SPEAKER_02This is the arena, and you have the right as a podcaster or as a as a person who wants to speak about public issues, which this was a public issue because he did put himself out there in the arena. We should have the right to question those narratives if those if those stories don't appear to be true, and that's that's what you guys were doing with your your your Delta Force operator colleague, is you were questioning those those narratives. So you do this, and my understanding is I want to say last December is when you were uh given the lawsuit. Is that correct?
SPEAKER_03November 11th.
SPEAKER_02Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03Uh no, November it was Veterans Day.
SPEAKER_02Okay, November 11th. Whatever.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, whatever. Yeah, we were uh I was sitting at um I had already parted ways with my old uh my old co-host uh many months before then. And uh I'm at lunch. We just wrapped up a broadcast, and I get a text message from somebody from the New York Times. Do you want to comment on the lawsuit that Rob O'Neill has filed on you? Here's the link. Whoa, that's how you find out it was filed at five in the morning Eastern Standard Time. I found out I got that text around one, which means that Rob filed it and reached out to the the business partners that he has made throughout his lying journey, and was like, Hey, just New York Times says FYI just dropped
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SPEAKER_03a lawsuit. So they have more technology than law enforcement to find your phone number and address, apparently.
SPEAKER_02That's just uh oh wow, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So uh that's how we found out. I called my old uh contributor and was like, Hey man, uh, did you know that we just got sued by Rob O'Neill? And he laughed and said, No. I was like, Yeah, I'll I sent him the link. So we went on for a little bit. Uh didn't really know if it was real, to be honest with you. We were like, so we're like, Do we have to be served?
SPEAKER_02You know, and uh so did were you able to see the lawsuit online at that point?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. We we the link the how yeah, the the New York Times post lady sent it to us, so obviously we ignored her, but we uh and they ran the piece within hours that we you know, Rob was all pro-rob, so we had no dog in the fight, but um, in that fight in particular, but but yeah, so then we were served. Uh, I think it was it was Veterans Day. We were served, uh ironically enough. And why it happened is because um my old uh co-host went on his own podcast that he started and pretty much said, Listen, if Rob hasn't sued me now, that means we know he's lying. And Rob put that in the lawsuit that stated I'm doing this because I have no choice because he said he wouldn't stop. Like this guy from day one has been painting how it's not defamation, it's revenge.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he had something to prove, and he saw that his narrative was getting questioned over and over and over again. And you guys, I feel, were just the straw that broke the camel's back for him to strike back. So I have a copy of the lawsuit, and it's not just the lawsuit that I downloaded. There was all these statements from people that served with Rob who who back up his side of the story, and that's that's gonna be the case in any story, right? And in any any situation, there's gonna be people that side with one person and then side with another person. Was that shocking to you as well to read all these declarations from people who were like, This is my take and this is what happened?
SPEAKER_03No, because none of them were there, so it's kind of like getting a letter of reference. Like, I'm just gonna have my fucking buddies write it for me. Like, um, none of them were there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_03Again, I don't know, like a lot of the I mean, our lawyer and us, we kind of like we feel bad for Rob because it's the that is probably the most retarded document I've ever read. There's person, there's like lies and defamation against me in the lawsuit that he filed. Like, I mean, like, I'm like, can I sue Rob for defamation for just making shit up and putting it on paper? And my lawyer's laughing, like, yeah, our time will come, bud, but not right now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so so tell me a little bit about what it's like to be sued because nobody that I know has ever had this happen to them. Uh, because you guys are are a business, and so they can take this, they they they sue the business, right?
SPEAKER_03And don't I learned, I learned, I learned the hard way. Tell okay, tell tell it's actually a very simple thing that no one tells you. Defamation, you're not covered under an LLC, right? We have an LLC. As far as I knew, you can only sue liability company.
SPEAKER_02That's what people say.
SPEAKER_03Yep, you can't sue me. Nope. Defamation's the only one where you can sue every single person involved personally outside of the LLC if it's defamation involved. So um, if it if it's I'm not saying we did any defamation, but if it's if that's what's being if that's what you're if that's what they're accusing you of, yep. Yeah, so that was the first confusing thing for me. I'm like, why the why the fuck is he? Suing me personally. So um it's expensive. It's it is what it is. The first thing I would tell somebody is make sure you have uh uh leg legal and I'm not talking like a a little bit of stash change. I'm talking like you need a very significant chunk of money set aside for legal fees because it doesn't matter if you get sued. Yes, you will get that money back, probably if it's a if it's a if it's a malicious lawsuit that has no ground, but you're looking years. You have to have that money up front.
SPEAKER_02But you would only get that money back if you counter sued, right?
SPEAKER_03It's not counter sued, it would be in the same lawsuit, it's the anti-slap, uh anti-slap something.
SPEAKER_01Okay, I've heard of that.
SPEAKER_03Essentially, it was started uh because big million-dollar corporations were trying to shut up the tabloids about corruptness in our economy. So they pretty much said if you're gonna sue somebody uh maliciously with no grounds to sue them, knowing it's just to shut them up, right? You are now subject to being sued in the same lawsuit by the anti-slap.
SPEAKER_02Interesting, that's fascinating. Okay, I always wondered what anti-slap meant.
SPEAKER_03Okay, that's so that's what that means. It's not it's not a counter suit, it's not like this one's gonna end and then we're gonna go sue him, it's like this one stops and then starts going the other way because he's going to have to pay for uh our legal fees, like everything, because it's
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SPEAKER_03unfair because that's what it does. What if that bankrupted me?
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_03What if my wife, what if my wife said we can't, our family can't handle this anymore? You gotta stop. That's that pressure. Rob O'Neill's got millions of dollars. This is right, this is nothing for him, pennies, and he's gotta protect his investments, which is all based off of an alleged lie. So, therefore, he's going to utilize his resources and stopping that, which is essentially shutting us up using the money that he has that he knows we don't have like him. So it it could it could be, I mean, like I'm making this was what I would say, or our lawyer would say to any judge is like, these guys don't have this money, they were sued wrongfully. There, you know, and anybody else, I mean, I God, I'm so thankful for God that he had put me in a time in my life where I had that money, and I'm not I'm not gonna talk about how much, but it is not what you think it was, it was ridiculous.
SPEAKER_02So I I mean any of us, any of us little small podcasters like Teresa Carpenter or some of these other guys that I work with, especially because I cover men who I believe have been falsely accused of a sex crime, and I'll be honest, that's the biggest one I am terrified of. And I'll say that, I'll say that publicly. Uh, I there's nothing stopping a accuser of coming after me and also coming after my guest. And that is unfortunate because I want to have these conversations, I want to look at the evidence, I want to have the other side because nobody else will do it, nobody will talk about that issue. And I believe that there are women who lie. I mean, we know this, we know this. And so it it really upsets me that this is something that I and so many others have to be so careful about and and have to understand what we're up against should something like this happen. So let's talk venue. I was also interested in that when I looked at the lawsuit. So uh I noticed that whenever I read a civil lawsuit, which I've read many more since I've had a podcast, and I've noticed that you have to prove that it is in a venue, it is in the proper venue. So he sues you in New York, but you guys all live in Florida. Why is that and how does that work?
SPEAKER_03He's got property in New York.
SPEAKER_02Okay. So that means you guys have to go and litigate it doesn't.
SPEAKER_03It means what it means is that we put in whatever the paperwork is for um this has got to be huh?
SPEAKER_02Change of venue or what? No.
SPEAKER_03It's change, it's taking it from state to federal court. Okay, it's gonna be federal court under uh in still in the state of New York, I think, but the the venue switch is um changing it from the the judges are now uh appointed rather than elected. Um New York state law that probably favors is going to be biased and favoring uh or the jury or whoever is gonna favor a New York person that they're all from New York, right? It's just it is, but it's home field advantage, so it it removes that because we're not all from New York. If we were all from New York, they would be like that doesn't need to go federal at all. We're in Florida, him and his lawyer is in New York. It's only fair, but I mean, and I'm doing a disservice describing why, but our lawyer articulated in a huge document why it needs to be relocated to a federal court system.
SPEAKER_02Got it, got it. So that removes some of that bias, even though it's still in New York.
SPEAKER_03He tried saying that and he tried saying that one of the owners for us was in New York in one of his uh appeals. Like our lawyer called us all. Like, is anybody living in New York that I need to know about? And we're like, no, and he's like, Rob just made that shit up. They just made it up, they threw it in
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SPEAKER_03an official document that one of the guys from Anti Air Podcast lives in New York.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and what one of the other things that I get concerned about too when it comes to lawfare is the fact that you're let's say you want to be a pro se litigant because you don't have a a stash of money to to hire the best lawyers in the business, right? And so you want to be a pro se litigant, you want to use Chat GPT and you want to figure out the legal system. Okay, let's just say like this is this is your this is your fight, right? I'm talking, I'm talking small town human beings, okay. And so one of the things I get concerned about when it comes to this is I don't have an end with any of these judges, like, and I don't know the motions process. And so that's the next piece to this is that you got a lawsuit. So much of this lawsuit gets decided by who the judges are, from what I've been learning, and by how many motions they can file that will change the outcome of what evidence can be presented, if they can dismiss it, all these other things. And were you you did you know? I mean, because you were a street cop, and so you you knew the law. Were you familiar with any of this, any of this legal wrangling before this happened?
SPEAKER_03Um, I had been in some civil suits, um, not defamation per se, but I know it's preponderance of uh evidence, stuff like that, that it's not beyond a but reasonable doubt that's in criminal. There's it's different for civil, the rules are a little bit different. Um there's no charges in civil court. A lot of people get like a lot of the Netflix moms who watch you know documentaries don't understand there's a difference between like you know, oh Trump was uh Trump was uh convicted of rape. And he's like, no, he wasn't. Oh well, he was found uh civilly liable.
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SPEAKER_03Like, well, that's a difference. There's a preponderance of evidence to say that he in some way, shape, or form maybe sexually like assaulted somebody at some point in his life, but that is very different than any type of conviction criminally. Sure. And a lot of people just do not know the difference.
SPEAKER_02No, no, they don't know the legal system at all, and that's why they lawyer up immediately because they don't have any other options because the system is so convoluted and it's so confusing, and that's why people go to law school and and and they can make the money that they make, and then this more this drags out, unfortunately, the more you have to pay.
SPEAKER_03So it is yeah, and I I I almost went pro se. Like, I uh like me and my wife were just like, dude, we want to fucking waste money on this. Like, we're talking like you just uh there's guys in prison that will do it for five hundred dollars a memo or whatever an appeal, like they know more on how to write those appeals because it's all they do.
SPEAKER_02You mean there's people that they charge they can charge civilians, people who are sitting in prison who have yeah, who are they'll write it for you. They'll not just jail house lawyer.
SPEAKER_03Yes, they'll put it in the right avenue, they'll get it to where it's go. You hire them, and I had no idea. That's a that's my my one of our one of my our contributors is a it was a uh former convict, uh turned around and he gives us a good insight onto the other side. And uh um he was telling me, like, man, I'll do it for you. And I was like, No, Jay, we'll we'll handle it. But thanks for the offer.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and you guys hired the best. I mean, Tim Tim Parlatore is a is an amazing lawyer. I've had him on my show twice. And oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I know Tim. And uh he he he's great. I mean, he he understands the law. And uh, in fact, if I know if I'm ever in a bind, and and I did I've consulted them a couple times on some small things, his law firm, and uh just I knew like if I'm in a bind and I really need the help, uh, that that they are a resource out there. And huh, so where does it stand now? So you tried to you get it, are you waiting to see if it can is it is it gonna go to federal court in in New York?
SPEAKER_03I'm not sure. Um, I don't really stay up on it. I know it's these things last two years. If you fucking stress about anything like that, you'll never you'll never be productive. So my family's healthy, my finances are, I do not care. The only thing I wake up and think about this lawsuit is how to get mine out of it because Rob did this for publicity to build his credibility, so every day I could take advantage of it on the media side. When he says something fucking stupid, I'm gonna I'm willing to talk about it on our show. We have a segment called the Rob O'Neill Chronicles where he just says dumb shit and we review it. And at the end of the day, I could care less about this guy. I know I'm not gonna see my money paid back to me for a very long time. Uh sure he's in my opinion, just a weak, frail old man that uh that that um there were at a time I felt bad for him. Like I said, I think a lot of these guys get caught up in things when they're young and they're younger, and they're rolling with something, and it's turned
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SPEAKER_03into a monster they can't face, they cannot face it. Uh, I think that about a lot of these guys that are notoriously accused of lying about entire things, like allegedly Marcus Lutrell's story, right? That whole thing, and I feel for him because he's like, uh, the Navy contacted me immediately and told me this is how we're gonna do things. And you're a young Navy SEAL getting out, like okay, or I shouldn't say a young Navy SEAL, but you're still in your 30s, right? Like you've never seen any, you don't know what the public eye is. No, for 20 years, you don't know what the public eye is, and all of a sudden they're like, Here we are, here's our post child. Take pictures, start talking. You don't know what the fuck. Like, I'm by now, and then all of a sudden you go, say too much, and everybody's like, Ooh, well, we didn't tell you to say that, man. Um, and now you're out on your own. So I feel for these guys, I really do. But at the end of the day, Marcus Trella ain't suing me. It's Robin who is suing me. Robin has every chance to end this every day he wakes up. He could end this, and he's choosing not to, so therefore, he is my uh media podcast enemy.
SPEAKER_02Well, and what's so funny is that he goes on shows like the Andy Stump podcast and contradicts things that I saw in the lawsuit. I took a look at the 50-page uh complaint again today, and I see right in the complaint that he's saying that he was the point man and he was this, and then I go on ChatGPT and I want to go, I want to know exactly like what did he say on Andy Stump? Because I listened to the podcast a while back, and it's different. And I'm like, Well, how is he pursuing?
SPEAKER_03Here's the thing is that Rob O'Neill contradicts himself every time he opens his mouth on any podcast he goes on. The story is wildly different, and the problem with lying is you have to keep up with your lies. The truth is easy, the truth is one story, right? And if you're not gonna tell the truth, stop going on podcasts. This guy's gotta be his lawyer's worst nightmare. Like, we're it's gotten to the point it's so dumb. We're like, wait a minute, is this genius? Like, is he doing something that even we're not tracking? Like some way to like it's like because he's either really smart or he's really dumb.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it doesn't, it's weird, it doesn't make sense to me why he's doing this. Like, you would think that he either would have the same consistent story that he can keep remembering, or he would stop doing shows, but instead he's just doubling down on the lie or on what the supposed lie, allegedly.
SPEAKER_03Uh, he's doubling down on this, and you're like every single podcast channel that was like, Oh, Rob O'Neill sue, because we're the bad guys, everybody hates anti-hero, but Rob O'Neill suing him. All those channels were like, Rob just shit to bed. Now we don't know if Rob's telling the truth anymore. He goes on and goes, First off, I'm Rob's lawyer. Rob, stop saying you lied. Stop, stop saying you lied. I don't care about us in AAR. I don't care. No one knows the context of what you're talking about, Rob. You are just telling the American people on every single major platform we lied. Okay, stop saying that. Also, stop saying that uh this is for uh um reasons of uh stopping a bully. This is for doing what's right. That's not defamation, Rob. Doing what's right based on your standards and your morals is not defamation. This guy is fucking crumbling his entire case in front of everybody, and like no one's going like, Rob, stop doing that. His lawyer's MIA when he goes on these fucking shows. At the end of the day, we all believe that it's just a giant publicity stunt. He's saying, Oh, yeah, you want to people want to challenge me. If I sue these guys, that shows that I'm not lying. That shows that I'm telling the truth, and it's gonna appear that I'm telling the truth if I take these guys into a courtroom.
SPEAKER_02Oh, it's just petty. It's petty, and it's uh, you know, it's a it's a waste of your finances and it's a waste of his time, and it's just silly. It is really silly. I I I do everything possible
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SPEAKER_02not to litigate things in in in in courts and with lawyers. And in fact, I was recently kicked out of the military influencer conference for somebody saying lies about me on a video, and maybe I could have tried to go after this person, but the problem was is that she'd already been dismissed for a lawsuit on defamation, and I knew that she has very uh high connections with people, and I wouldn't even do that anyway, because I don't really want to use the lawyers. And so I thought, well, what do I do? And luckily I'm friends with Navy SEAL Bill Brown, and he really helped coach me about how to put out a video and defend your name and show your receipts. So I did. I showed my emails and my texts to to uh tell the truth about what really happened, and they still kicked me out of the conference because I was triggering survivors, and it was just so stupid. The whole thing was just so fucking dumb. And to this day, I just have no respect for the people. I'm sorry, I'm going into a rant, but on the from the military influencer conference because I didn't do anything wrong.
SPEAKER_03Is that the thing? The military influencer conference.
SPEAKER_02Oh, you didn't know. It's run by recurrent media, the people that own task and purpose, and we are the mighty, as is is what I believe are the same people, and it's a huge it's been going on for about five years, Tyler. You've never heard of it in my life.
SPEAKER_03No, tell me the place I want to go less than shot show. It's that military influencer.
SPEAKER_02Wow, yes, it's every year, and they even have a spouse fest and they have other things. And I really thought that I liked Curtis Cortez uh Riggs, the the founder of it, and we had had conversations uh in the past, and he even gave me a free ticket to their Mighty 25 dinner, and I was really excited this past September. I mean, here I was just getting out of the Navy, trying to get into the podcast world and meet other creators, and I thought, and business owners and nonprofits, and I thought this would be great, this would be awesome. And I'd gone to the one the year before and had a good experience, and then this person put out a video because she got jealous seeing me interview a buddy of hers and decided to just blow the place up over a guy named Andrew, who owned a media company called Parade Deck, who had a sexual assault conviction, and everyone knew about it, in my opinion, and it from my beliefs and things that I believe is everyone knew he the people that were working with him knew about it, the VFW knew about it, the military influencer conference leads knew about it, but I was the one person that was honest and said, Yeah, I knew I was one of the creators, I knew about it, I didn't know all the details. I also knew that he served his time and that he was doing something for veterans, and I still stand by that. And uh yeah, she made a video about me and ended up blowing her whole case out of the water because she said she knew as well, and so it didn't even matter. But the point being is that people can say whatever the heck they want about you, and unfortunately, defamation is so subjective that I and I mean lawsuits, what what are you gonna do, man?
SPEAKER_03Like, what do you if they don't got no money, you ain't getting no money. No, they're not gonna fucking they're not gonna put a lien on your house because somebody got butt hurt, you know. That at the end of the day, and especially if you want to sue, like let's say I want to sue a company, right? And they're not worth anything. If they're not worth anything and they're doing me wrong, and I want to what's the point? They don't have any money.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's all it really is.
SPEAKER_03It's but you know what, bank account and waste your time.
SPEAKER_02Yep, yep. So I'm glad you guys are speaking out. I'm glad you're standing up for yourselves, and I'm glad that you are looking at this from so many angles and seeing where this goes. We're we're we as watchers are definitely gonna keep following it. Uh, the the show is great, by the way. The anti-hero podcast, you guys and broadcast, you have a lot of different current events on the show that you talk about. You have a lot of great contributors. Where do you see the the company going next as you guys keep going?
SPEAKER_03Uh we're gonna start doing more live shows. We stream every day of the week now. Um, we're trying to grow organically. Um, we're not, you know, we're not your your mother's uh MSNBC show for sure. So growing is a little bit more hard, but you know, uh we
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SPEAKER_03have fun doing it, and we're not going to jeopardize our integrity or our um First Amendment rights, I guess, um, to to sell out and be part of something big when we can't talk about if I want to make an Asian joke, I'm gonna make an Asian joke. Yeah, I mean they're funny. I have tons of Asian friends that also think they're funny. It's only fucking white people that don't think they're funny, so you know it we just have fun, and we are the smoke pits, we are YouTubers, we are an open version of that, and you can't be afraid because people want that again. People want a sense of community, they also want just a show that they don't have to catch up on oh, I gotta watch this podcast. It's a show, it's a it's a broadcast. If you miss Tuesday and Wednesday, just tune in Thursday. You're not missing it's a constant thing, it's not like we had our big guest and you missed it. It's a broadcast, it's meant to entertain you for two hours out of the day, so you don't have to listen to some other boring ass show that sucks and doesn't give you any value.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I love it, I love it. So everybody turn in, tune in to the anti-hero broadcast. I have about 17,000 followers on LinkedIn, so this is being broadcast live over there as well today. So cool. Hope hope you guys get some new some new fans from this because I I love what you're doing, and I love that you're giving, especially veterans and first responders, uh, a place to share, to shoot the shit, to say to tell it like it is. Uh, we need more people like you and and your colleagues to tell it like it is because I believe it's really important to talk about hard issues and to talk about these kinds of things. So thank you, Tyler, so much for what you're doing. And thank you so much. Uh, is there anything else you want to add before we get off the call?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, just come check us out. Join us in the comments. And if you're if you're watching something or you or you see a clip or you see an old video, just comment on there first time. And I either loved it or I hated it. At least we know you're there, so we can uh engage with you back and forth. We're a community. We're not uh uh we're not like a fans, like show and fans of the show. We all you know, we engage with all of our hundreds of people online listening to us and watching us and live in real time. We go live every morning, Eastern Standard Time, 11 a.m. on YouTube, X, and Facebook. So there's a will, there's a way if you want to join us.
SPEAKER_02Awesome. And you guys do have merch as well. I noticed that you can go to Counterculture Inc. And there's a lot of great t-shirts on this website. In fact, I'm scrolling to it now. You have one called I Love Anti-Feminist Feminist Club.
SPEAKER_03So that one Yeah, that's our we're trying to we're trying to get with the females. That's my wife's podcast. Um, she is counterculture. Counterculture is a media company, and it's also a clothing line that we have where we put out shirts that people might not like want to wear. Like some of our
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SPEAKER_03shirts you can't wear at the school pickup line. I get it, but they're fun shirts, it's like grunt style, but for men. Um, and we're you know, my wife's doing a hell of a job with her show Unfiltered and Unfazed, where she's trying to grab the counterculture female demographic, much like women like you, that are kind of sick of the narrative being spoken for them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm definitely gonna check out her show. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like I'm a woman and you don't speak for me, you know, mainstream America, because I'm kind of getting sick of this. And so they're trying to bring it back to like third generation feminism, second, whatever, the whatever the good feminism wave was that was healthy for women. That's what they're doing. So they're the anti feminist feminist club where they're anti feminism. Anti-new feminists, the fascism feminists, and they're the old school feminists that are very uh proud of being uh a woman and the qualities that come with being a woman and all that stuff. So it's a it's a good show.
SPEAKER_02I love it. I love it. Well, I'm definitely gonna check it out. I didn't know your wife had a show, so that's awesome. And I'm always down to connect with other women that I think are kind of like-minded and and see some of the same things that I've seen. So love it. Awesome. All right, Tyler. I will meet you backstage as I go full screen and say goodbye to my audience.
SPEAKER_03All right, sounds good. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_02All right, all right, guys, that is all for today. I do have another guest this Thursday. I'm bringing back Jane Babcock. Uh, she unfortunately had a medical emergency uh with a family member, so was unfortunate, uh, was not able to come on last Thursday. So I'm gonna bring her back this Thursday. And we're gonna be talking all things uh VA disability. As we all know, the VA uh pulled back, uh, which we all kind of figured they would, uh, uh, regarding their uh new rule about if medication can impact your disability rating. So we're not gonna just talk about that. We're gonna talk about a lot of the changes that we've been seeing with the VA lately. Uh, there's been lots of hearings uh on the Hill and lots of things that we've been we've been hearing about, especially the Washington Post story and other things. So Jane is an expert on all things VA disability. She does this out of the kindness of her heart. She is a citizen volunteer, former VSO. So just can't wait to talk to her more about these important issues. And as I always say, to close out these calls, thanks for joining us. And please take care of yourselves. Please take care of each other and enjoy the rest of your day. Bye bye now.